tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post3208710699611478877..comments2024-01-30T13:39:46.484+00:00Comments on The Bibliophilic Blogger: How Much Should you Write?Nicholas Murrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07189263209323471368noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-53032236365521076862008-10-06T15:40:00.000+01:002008-10-06T15:40:00.000+01:00William, my literary critical perceptions have not...William, my literary critical perceptions have not deserted me. I guessed it might have been you. Dons often talk about students who hand in gleamingly laser-printed essays that are unspeakable and certainly unreadable so there is a lot in the idea that the ease with which one can produce something that LOOKS LIKE WRITING is snare and a delusion. There is no substitute for the hard graft of revision, as you say, and for the sense of writing as, like any other art form, a battle with the resistant matter of form out of which triumphs are, sometimes, created.Nicholas Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07189263209323471368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-61206190293162925402008-10-06T15:34:00.000+01:002008-10-06T15:34:00.000+01:00Ah, now why did that come out as anonymous - presu...Ah, now why did that come out as anonymous - presumably because I hit the wrong bloody key. C'est moi, William, Nick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-65774079264280330872008-10-06T15:26:00.000+01:002008-10-06T15:26:00.000+01:00I can only speak from my own experience that I do ...I can only speak from my own experience that I do revise heavily as I go in the same way as I did with the older systems of paper rolled into the barrel of a typewriter. I think the means you use are terribly important and Iris Murdoch probably DID write better with her famous fountain pen so you must choose the method that suits you best. The blandness and processed cheese quality of much contemporary writing is, I concede, very real and palpable but I wonder whether its sources lie in the cloth ears of publishers, agents, editors, reviewers, critics, who constantly praise dead writing of this kind.Nicholas Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07189263209323471368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-72446067473879079422008-10-06T15:20:00.000+01:002008-10-06T15:20:00.000+01:00I don't agree with you entirely about the computer...I don't agree with you entirely about the computer, Nick. It certainly is an aid to speed and output, but this may be why so many novels and stories now seem to be written in flavourless and limp prose - a sort of processed cheese. The first draft looks seductively professional and revision, or rather alteration, is easy - up to a point. It would presumably not occur to anyone now to save a first draft on the computer and then write a complete second draft. Or third. Writing is re-writing. It's very easy to tinker with a page on the screen: the old way - now looked upon as hopelessly antediluvian - of typing up a second draft from a first handwritten draft - meant that you radically cut, altered and refined in the process. Then that draft would be covered with many many corrections and you would retype the whole damn thing again, and again change, until finally you began to find out what worked best in your own book. Of course I now use a word processor - but I print out work every day and correct on paper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-87301837001768271712008-10-06T08:32:00.000+01:002008-10-06T08:32:00.000+01:00What fascinating responses to an admittedly imposs...What fascinating responses to an admittedly impossible question! I do think you are all right to say that it depends on the kind of writing you are doing. Also, time as well as number of words is relevant too. One of the problems of writing, especially creative writing, is that it comes in bursts of furious energy and there is a whole day out there to fill with useful activity. Use of computers - I write everything directly on to screen except poetry which I do with pencil and paper - has probably made outputs greater because you no longer need to tear a sheet out of the typewriter like they do in the movies and start again. And revising, deleting, re-presenting a page, is so much easier. People used to argue that word-processing was bad for writers. I have always believed that it is a good thing because it makes polishing, rewriting, redrafting so much easier. As for boasting: who is the boaster? The writer who claims to produce 2000 words a day or the one who claims that anything more than 200 is vulgar churning-out, mere typing?Nicholas Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07189263209323471368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-60874274201151930352008-10-05T05:06:00.000+01:002008-10-05T05:06:00.000+01:00My "wordcount" evolved. I began my current novel ...My "wordcount" evolved. I began my current novel as a challenge from a friend to write something, so I began with a 200 word snippet. I stuck to the 200 word a night (yes, a night--I still have a day job) regimen for the first few months of the work. I gradually graduated to 500 words a night, and then once I felt more confident, 1000 words a night. By that time I felt in complete control of my writing, and could afford to set myself that lofty goal. Now, the novel is finished, and I'm in the revision phase, which brings a whole new metric to writing. With revising, I'm not concerned with word count, or even page count, but with the completeness of the work. If I spend an hour working on one page, but get it into a form which I think is as good as I can get it, then that is as productive as "revising" 10 pages, but knowing that I'll have to go and revisit them. I guess the point is that I work as much as I need or want to.Liberal Librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11682406103923500984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-25137086027830420482008-10-04T21:39:00.000+01:002008-10-04T21:39:00.000+01:00I stick pretty religiously to 1,000 words a day, w...I stick pretty religiously to 1,000 words a day, whether fiction or nonfiction. This was a figure I adduced from Anthony Burgess. And I also understand that Will Self sticks with a grand too. That's long enough to get into a groove, but short enough to prevent fatigue or burnout. I can generally pump out 1,000 words sometime between 20 minutes or six hours, which includes revision time, depending upon the circumstances. I often write considerably more than 1,000 words if the mood fits me. The point is to have fun while you're writing, but also stay productive. And the problem with questions like this one is that, in answering them, one may very well be accused of boasting, as Mr. Blair most certainly is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-63220688848386870522008-10-04T09:37:00.000+01:002008-10-04T09:37:00.000+01:00I think it was Graham Greene who used to do a stri...I think it was Graham Greene who used to do a strict 500 words a day and finish at that exact numder even if it meant stopping in mid-sentence. He said that this gave him something to clutch onto the next day - so he could break the ice of that dreaded first sentence of the day.<BR/>When writing a novel I average about 600-700 a day, I suppose. With poetry, I write about three poems a year, which, if you ignore drafts and revisions, comes to about two words a day.<BR/>A 1000 word review can be done in a morning, or, with some books, in one's sleep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490888218551680190.post-66414055084493810712008-10-03T16:08:00.000+01:002008-10-03T16:08:00.000+01:00My 'wordcount' depends on what stage of a novel I'...My 'wordcount' depends on what stage of a novel I'm at - but sometimes I feel very lazy about how little time I actually spend putting words onto the screen - I bash out 1000 (rubbish) words a day at first-draft stage, but that rarely takes longer than an hour. But then if you count thinking and processing, I could say I'm a writer for 14 hours of every day...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08599095035971045492noreply@blogger.com